Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/14/2002 09:32 AM House FIN

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                              MINUTES                                                                                         
             JOINT HOUSE AND SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                         
                         February 14, 2002                                                                                    
                              9:32 AM                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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SFC-02 # 9, Side A                                                                                                              
SFC 02 # 9, Side B                                                                                                              
SFC 02 # 10, Side A                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Dave Donley convened  the meeting at approximately 9:32 AM.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dave Donley, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Lyda Green                                                                                                              
Senator Gary Wilken                                                                                                             
Co-Chair Pete Kelly                                                                                                             
Senator Alan Austerman                                                                                                          
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Also Attending:  ANNALEE MCCONNELL,  Director, Office of  Management                                                          
and Budget, Office  of the Governor; TOM LAWSON, Director,  Division                                                            
of Administrative  Services,  Department of  Community and  Economic                                                            
Development;  DWAYNE PEEPLES, Director,  Division of Administrative                                                             
Services,  Department   of  Corrections;  JANET  CLARKE,   Director,                                                            
Division  of  Administrative  Services,  Department  of  Health  and                                                            
Social   Services;  BOB   LABBE,  Director,   Division  of   Medical                                                            
Assistance, Department  of Health and Social Services;  KURT PARKAN,                                                            
Deputy  Commissioner,   Department  of  Transportation   and  Public                                                            
Facilities; CAPTAIN GEORGE  CAPACCI, General Manager, Marine Highway                                                            
System, Department  of Transportation  and Public Facilities;  FRANK                                                            
RICHARDS,   State  Maintenance  Engineer,   Division  of   Statewide                                                            
Maintenance,  Department of  Transportation  and Public Facilities;                                                             
ROBERT  POE, Executive  Director,  Alaska Industrial  Development  &                                                            
Export  Authority   and  Alaska  Energy  Authority,   Department  of                                                            
Community  and Economic  Development;  SARA  FISHER-GOAD,  Financial                                                            
Analyst, Alaska  Industrial Development  & Export Authority  (AIDEA)                                                            
and  Alaska Energy  Authority  (AEA),  Department of  Community  and                                                            
Economic  Development; NICO  BUS, Administrative  Services  Manager,                                                            
Division of Support Services,  Department of Natural Resources; GAIL                                                            
FENUMIAI,  Election  Program  Specialist,   Division  of  Elections,                                                            
Office of the Lieutenant  Governor; WENDY REDMAN, Vice President for                                                            
University Relations, University of Alaska                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Attending  via Teleconference:  From  Anchorage:  MARLA GREENSTEIN,                                                           
Executive Director,  Alaska Commission  on Judicial Conduct,  Alaska                                                            
Court  System;  From  Fairbanks:  PAT  PITNEY,  Director  of  Budget                                                          
Development and Institutional Planning, University of Alaska                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SB 291-SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS: FAST TRACK                                                                                  
SB 292-SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The Committees heard testimony  from the Court System, Department of                                                            
Community  and  Economic  Development,  Department  of Corrections,                                                             
Department   of   Health  and   Social   Services,   Department   of                                                            
Transportation  and Public  Facilities, Department  of Military  and                                                            
Veterans  Affairs,   Department  of  Natural  Resources,   Governors                                                            
Office,  and  the University  of  Alaska.  The  bills were  held  in                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SENATE BILL NO. 291                                                                                                        
     "An Act making supplemental and other appropriations; amending                                                             
     appropriations; and providing for an effective date."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SENATE BILL NO. 292                                                                                                        
     "An Act making supplemental and other appropriations; amending                                                             
     appropriations; making appropriations to capitalize funds; and                                                             
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was the first  hearing for these bills in the  Senate and House                                                            
Finance Committees.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ANNALEE  MCCONNELL,  Director,  Office  of  Management  and  Budget,                                                            
Office of the  Governor, conveyed  to the Committee there  have been                                                            
tremendous improvements  in the past several years  in the budgeting                                                            
process.  She noted  the departments  have worked  well together  on                                                            
getting  more  realistic   numbers  in  the  main  budget  and  that                                                            
supplementals   have  been  more   limited  to  changes   caused  by                                                            
unforeseen  circumstances. She  noted the  FY 01 supplement  request                                                            
was $40 million.  She stated the FY 02 request is  in the same range                                                            
as the FY 01 supplemental request.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  McConnell  specified  that some  requests  in this  Fast  Track                                                            
Supplemental  are  the result  of  timeframes,  and others  are  the                                                            
result of insufficient  funds to meet  statutory obligations  "based                                                            
on best current projections."  She stated the child adoption program                                                            
is  one that  has  exceeded  projections  and  has had  a  "dramatic                                                            
increases  in  numbers."  She  stated  this  is good  news  as  more                                                            
children  have been placed  in permanent homes,  and also saves  the                                                            
state "the  expense of paying  foster care  for children who  are in                                                            
state custody."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  stressed the numbers presented are  the most accurate                                                            
projections  available  given the first  six months  of this  fiscal                                                            
year. She gave as examples:  general relief is "on target" with last                                                            
May's projections,  public assistance is higher than  projected, and                                                            
other areas are lower.  She explained that when a budget is prepared                                                            
in May for  the fiscal year that starts  in July, it represents  the                                                            
best  estimates   the  departments   can  make  for  the   statutory                                                            
obligations.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms McConnell  continued  that a  few funding  sources identified  to                                                            
reduce the  FY 02 general  fund requests, did  not "pan out"  as had                                                            
been  hoped.  She   stated  the  University  of  Alaska   Science  &                                                            
Technology  Foundation  interest  earnings  were  below projections                                                             
because of  changes in the stock market  condition as are  the level                                                            
of  funds  available  for  international  business   endowment.  She                                                            
continued  that  Department  of  Fish  and  Game  funding  has  been                                                            
affected by the downturn in the fisheries industry.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  McConnell  stated  updates  on fires  and  disasters  would  be                                                            
provided as time progresses,  however, expenses incurred by fires to                                                            
date are $7.2 million dollars.  She informed that the costs incurred                                                            
by fire  activity "will  rise up  until and  after" the legislature                                                             
adjourns and on into the  summer season. She noted these costs would                                                            
have   to  be   presented   as  "a   ratification   rather  than   a                                                            
supplemental."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  McConnell   relayed   that  fuel   costs   have  increased   to                                                            
approximately  "$2.1 million  throughout the  various agencies,"  in                                                            
spite of the fact  that "fuel prices have come down  from where they                                                            
were". She reminded  that the FY 01 and FY 02 fuel  budgets were set                                                            
at  the FY  2000 level  with  the extra  expenses  being  paid on  a                                                            
"supplemental  basis." She continued that the FY 03  budget would be                                                            
submitted at a higher level,  "as fuel prices are not coming down as                                                            
we had hoped."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  said  the state  has been  fortunate  in having  some                                                            
"one-time  money available  to  use to  offset some  of the  capital                                                            
expenditures."  She cited the unanticipated  interest earnings  from                                                            
the tobacco  bond  would help  replace  other funding  that did  not                                                            
materialize. She  referenced the memorandum in the  back-up material                                                            
that  she had  received from  Deven Mitchell  of  the Department  of                                                            
Revenue, dated  February 11, 2002,  which states these earnings  are                                                            
limited "to be used for  paying down debt service on these very same                                                            
bonds or for capital projects."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell requested  the Committee act on both SB 291 and SB 292                                                            
as early  as possible  to  allow the  departments  to address  "fee-                                                            
timing problems."  She continued  that the  Fast Track supplemental                                                             
requests require action before the final days of the session.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Court System                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     SB 291                                                                                                                     
     Section 1                                                                                                                  
     Court System                                                                                                               
     Judicial Conduct                                                                                                           
     Legal fees in excess of FY 2001 supplemental.                                                                              
     Actual amount is $6,829.77                                                                                                 
     $6,800 general funds                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MARLA GREENSTEIN, Executive  Director, Alaska Commission on Judicial                                                            
Conduct,  Alaska Court  System,  testified via  teleconference  from                                                            
Anchorage and  noted that the Alaska Commission of  Judicial Conduct                                                            
is technically  a separate entity  from the Alaska Court  System but                                                            
is presented as  part of the Court System's budget.  She stated this                                                            
request would  have "a very large impact on this small  entity." She                                                            
noted  this request  is "directly  due  to underestimation  in  last                                                            
year's supplemental  request for the  cost of proceedings  that were                                                            
pending before  the United States  Supreme Court on a formal  matter                                                            
against  a judge." She  stated this  represents  the balance  of the                                                            
cost for that proceeding.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Department of Community and Economic Development                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     SB 291                                                                                                                     
     Section 2 (a)                                                                                                              
     Department of Community and Economic Development                                                                           
     Alaska Science & Technology Foundation                                                                                     
     Idaho National Engineering and Environmental Laboratory Grant                                                              
     Contract for Alaska Business Research. Funds are available                                                                 
     March 1, 2002.                                                                                                             
     $25,000 Statutory Designated Program Receipts                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TOM  LAWSON,   Director,   Division  of   Administrative   Services,                                                            
Department  of  Community  and  Economic  Development   stated  this                                                            
request seeks  funds to enter into  a contract to implement  applied                                                            
business  research  and  other  various  efforts   in environmental                                                             
energy,  transportation,  and other  areas. He  stated the  contract                                                            
would begin March first and will conclude in the fall.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     SB 291                                                                                                                     
     Section 2 (b)                                                                                                              
     Department of Community and Economic Development                                                                           
     International Trade & Business Development                                                                                 
     International Trade & Business Endowment - replace unrealized                                                              
     FY 02 Investment Earnings - Fund Source Change                                                                             
     $230,400 general funds                                                                                                     
     ($230,400) International Trade and Development Fund Earnings                                                               
     Reserve                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Lawson   stated   this  is   a  funding   source  change   from                                                            
International  Trade and  Development Fund  Earnings Reserve  to the                                                            
general  fund. He  continued that  as part  of the  FY 02  operating                                                            
budget, the Division  of International Trade and Market  Development                                                            
received $496,400  in earnings reserve from the International  Trade                                                            
and Business endowment.  He stated this was an authorization to draw                                                            
that money from the endowment.  He explained that the FY 01 year-end                                                            
endowment audit  reflected $697,000  in the total earnings  reserve;                                                            
however only $266,000  was earned in FY 01. He said  that because of                                                            
losses  incurred in  the first  half of  FY 02,  the total  earnings                                                            
reserve has now  "dwindled to approximately $270,000  as reported in                                                            
the December  statement." He  stated that in  order to maximize  the                                                            
earnings, no funds  have been drawn from the endowment  this year as                                                            
has been normal  practice; as a result, the International  Trade and                                                            
Market Development  Division is facing a shortfall  of over $200,000                                                            
which is approximately  10 percent  of its budget. He stressed  this                                                            
shortfall "will  seriously hamper  already scheduled trade  missions                                                            
and shows and  will result in layoffs as well." He  requested, "this                                                            
anticipated  shortfall  be  fixed  with  the  general  fund  funding                                                            
exchange."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman asked for information on the endowment.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lawson  responded  the $4,950,000  endowment was  set up  by the                                                            
legislature in approximately 1996.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman inquired as to the current fund balance.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Lawson  replied  there  is  approximately   $5,222,000  in  the                                                            
endowment after unrealized losses are accounted for.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman clarified  the request for $230,000 general funds.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lawson concurred.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Department of Corrections                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     SB 291                                                                                                                     
     Section 3                                                                                                                  
     Department of Corrections                                                                                                  
     Palmer Correctional Center                                                                                                 
     New  well including pump  and wellhouse  as primary water  well                                                            
     has failed  and is nonrepairable. Statutory designated  program                                                            
     receipts (SDPR) are  from interest earnings of Northern Tobacco                                                            
     Securitization Corporation (NTSC)                                                                                          
     $172,200 Statutory Designated Program Receipts                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DWAYNE  PEEPLES,  Director,  Division  of Administrative   Services,                                                            
Department  of  Corrections,  explained   this  request  would  fund                                                            
replacement  of the Palmer Water Well  as it has completely  failed.                                                            
He stated  a temporary  solution  uses  an "irrigation  well with  a                                                            
plastic pipe running  across the surface;" however,  the entire well                                                            
must be replaced.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley characterized  this request as a definite fast-track                                                            
supplemental  item, and  suggested  general funds  dollars might  be                                                            
more appropriate than Statutory Designated Program Receipts.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Department of Health and Social Services                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     SB 291                                                                                                                     
     Section 4(a)                                                                                                               
     Department of Health and Social Services                                                                                   
     Medicaid Services                                                                                                          
     Medicaid  Services  -  Projected to  run  out April  16.  $4.57                                                            
     million  general funds  is for FY 2001  bills paid in  FY 2002;                                                            
     $1.8  million  general funds  is  from underfunding  last  year                                                            
     below  low case scenario;  $6.34 million  general funds  is for                                                            
     caseload  at mid-case  range and cost  increases, particularly                                                             
     for seniors and disabled.                                                                                                  
     $143,233,800                                                                                                               
          $ 12,712,500 general funds                                                                                            
          $106,618,000 federal funds                                                                                            
          $ 23,903,300 Statutory Designated Program Receipts                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JANET  CLARKE,  Director,   Division  of  Administrative   Services,                                                            
Department  of Health and  Social Services,  informed the  Committee                                                            
this  request for  costs incurred  by the  Medicaid  program is  the                                                            
"largest  supplemental request"  the Department  has ever  proposed.                                                            
She detailed  the rising cost  of health care  in the nation  and in                                                            
Alaska. She explained that  while the Anchorage urban Consumer Price                                                            
Index  (CPI) has  risen 8.9  percent over  the past  several  years,                                                            
medical  costs  have  increased  27.4  percent.   She  informed  the                                                            
Committee  that actual  Medicaid  expenditures  in FY  01 were  $583                                                            
million and  the FY 02  Medicaid budget is  $561,6 million,  leaving                                                            
the Department  starting  out the  year with $22  million less  than                                                            
what was spent in FY 01.  She commented that actual cost projections                                                            
for the  Medicaid  program in  FY 02  are approximately  18  percent                                                            
above  FY 01  costs;  primarily  due  to increasing  costs  for  the                                                            
elderly, disabled  individuals and  pharmaceutical costs.  She noted                                                            
that Medicaid  expenses and projections  are detailed in  the backup                                                            
material. She continued  the Department projects an increase of over                                                            
5,000 individuals on Medicaid in FY 02 from FY 01.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms Clarke stated  the backup information  also includes a  six-month                                                            
FY 02 comparison  to the equivalent six months in  FY 01 sorted into                                                            
categories.  She informed the costs  could have been higher  had not                                                            
the Department  sought refinancing opportunities which  increase the                                                            
amount  of  federal  funding  while limiting  the  amount  of  state                                                            
general fund dollars through a matching program.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley voiced  appreciation to the Department for the "hard                                                            
work" they  have demonstrated  in trying to  keep expenses  down. He                                                            
continued that  the Department "has  to deal with a maze  of federal                                                            
and state  laws which were  designed when the  state had a  lot more                                                            
money available than it  currently does." He commented the state has                                                            
not  "re-vamped"  its statutes,  and  the  Departments  efforts  are                                                            
appreciated.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson, noting  the $6.3  million supplemental  request  for                                                            
seniors and  disabled, inquired  if there has  not been an  increase                                                            
caused by the younger population.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke responded there  have been increases in children's needs;                                                            
however  "the  real  cost  drivers"  are  senior  citizens  and  the                                                            
disabled.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson asked the reason for this.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
BOB LABBE, Director,  Division of Medical Assistance,  Department of                                                            
Health  and Social  Services, stated  the senior  population is  the                                                            
primary user  of the Medicaid program  for long-term care  services,                                                            
and there has  been "a significant  increase in the use of  home and                                                            
community  based care." He  continued the  senior population  is the                                                            
primary user  of prescription drugs,  and furthermore, most  seniors                                                            
have Medicare coverage,  which does not cover prescription drugs and                                                            
usually  doesn't cover  long care  term services,  but does  provide                                                            
short nursing home coverage  He stated the disability population has                                                            
similar  issues  with the  exception  that only  about  half of  the                                                            
persons who are  disabled have Medicare coverage,  so the state also                                                            
has the primary  payment responsibility  for physician and  hospital                                                            
care as well.  He specified these  two groups are five to  six times                                                            
more  expensive  on a  monthly  basis  than coverage  for  a  child;                                                            
therefore  the  cost to  the  state for  children  is significantly                                                             
lower.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  agreed the  costs incurred  by seniors would  explain                                                            
the expense.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke added  the Department had a sizable supplemental  request                                                            
in FY 01, "however in May  and June the costs shot up" significantly                                                            
above what  had been  projected. She  stated this  resulted in  $4.6                                                            
million of  the FY 02 appropriation  of $12.7 million general  funds                                                            
being used to cover FY 01 expenses.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Austerman stated  Medicaid costs  are driven by  population                                                            
and  stressed the  need  for the  state  to entertain  a  long-range                                                            
population  projection.  He asked if  the Department  of Health  and                                                            
Social  Services  has  worked  with  the  Department  of  Labor  and                                                            
Workforce Development  to conduct long-range population  projections                                                            
for the state.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Clarke responded  that  the  Department  of Health  and  Social                                                            
Services  provided  a five-year  population  projection  the  Senate                                                            
Health Education and Social  Services subcommittee in November 2001.                                                            
She continued  it "would be good"  to work with Department  of Labor                                                            
and Workforce Development  and provide additional information to the                                                            
Senate Finance Committee.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Labbe  noted the Department  of Health  and Social Services  has                                                            
undertaken on a special  forecasting project to review demographics,                                                            
insurance costs,  and other costs. He stated the Department  is also                                                            
waiting  for  the  final  results  of  a  Department  of  Labor  and                                                            
Workforce  Development  survey on  recent insurance  statistics.  He                                                            
pointed out  that a variety  of information  is important to  assist                                                            
the Department's  budgeting forecasts.  He reported that  the senior                                                            
population  on   the  whole  is  growing  faster  than   the  senior                                                            
population  on the  Medicaid  program  since Medicaid  coverage  for                                                            
seniors is  limited to certain  income and  asset levels. He  stated                                                            
the  Department  anticipates  that  "down  the  road"  some  of  the                                                            
seniors, who do  not currently qualify for the program,  may qualify                                                            
as they  start to need  long-term care services.  He continued  that                                                            
the seniors who need long  term care are typically 85 and older, and                                                            
Alaska has the fastest  growing 85 and older population group in the                                                            
nation.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly stated would  like to know the characteristics of the                                                            
people  in  the  Medicaid  program,  and asked  Ms.  Clarke  if  the                                                            
Department of  Health and Social Services has demographic  breakouts                                                            
on its recipients.  He continued that  the numbers keep increasing,                                                             
and he  would like  to know, in  addition to  the senior  population                                                            
numbers,  what other population  groups are  driving the growth.  He                                                            
continued that  the Department is  doing a good job of managing  the                                                            
program; however  the state should seek to identify  the problem and                                                            
devise  a cure. He  stated that  if some  of the  people are in  the                                                            
program because  they made "bad choices,"  the state should  discuss                                                            
what could  be done about  those choices and  how those choices  are                                                            
going to be "rewarded with dollars."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke  stated the  Department  has a lot  of information  about                                                            
this program  and has demographic  groups  broken out. She  exampled                                                            
there is information  on the disabled, elderly, adults  and children                                                            
as well  as age  breakouts  and other  information.  She stated  the                                                            
Department would supply this information to the Committee.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  asked if the Department could provide  a breakout on                                                            
single parents as a result of divorce or other circumstances.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Labbe  replied  this  level  of  demographics   information  is                                                            
"probably  not  available"  through the  Medicaid  program  records;                                                            
however  the  Public Assistance  System  records  may  provide  some                                                            
marital   status   data.  He   continued   that   certain   personal                                                            
information,  such  as  whether  a  patient  smokes,  would  not  be                                                            
available from  the current program  applications; however,  some of                                                            
this information is "out there."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Labbe noted  that some information  could be garnered  regarding                                                            
medical conditions by reviewing  Medicaid patients' medical records.                                                            
He  stated  the  tobacco  lawsuit  provides  models  for  estimating                                                            
emphysema   deaths  and  other  smoking   related  conditions,   and                                                            
specified that  the election district  report could provide  further                                                            
information  on  where  children  and  seniors  are.  He  summarized                                                            
personal information is hard to obtain.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly stated  the information  currently  provided by  the                                                            
Department of Health and  Social Services does not indicate the data                                                            
source,  "it is  just more  information  that helps  you manage  the                                                            
problem."  He continued  that  public policy  is hard  to make  when                                                            
based on "anecdotal evidence."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly stated  his wife works  in a  pediatric clinic  that                                                            
serves many  patients between the  ages of sixteen and twenty-four,                                                             
who are  on Medicaid,  have kids,  and have never  been married.  He                                                            
opined, "they  need to stop  that or this  number is never  going to                                                            
shrink." He stated, yes  the seniors are going to age and drive some                                                            
of those  costs, but  "we keep  spitting into  that population  this                                                            
group of young  people who should be healthy and productive  and yet                                                            
they are  not." He  requested the  Department of  Health and  Social                                                            
Services to research this information.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke  replied the Department  would "do  its best" to  get the                                                            
requested  information   by pursuing   the  information  from  other                                                            
sources such as the Division of Vital Statistics.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson stated  the program  costs  are driven  by the  older                                                            
population; not by the younger people.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke  confirmed Senator  Olson's remark;  however, she  stated                                                            
the numbers  of people the  Department has  classified as the  adult                                                            
group, is rising  because of the number  of pregnant women  included                                                            
in that group.  She stated that the  number of adults participating                                                             
in the Temporary  Assistance for Needy Families (TANF)  Program have                                                            
been decreasing as have the welfare rolls.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  acknowledged the "expediential growth"  in the aging                                                            
population, but  reiterated the need for further information  on the                                                            
"population at large" involved in the Medicaid program.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman  opined this is  a valuable discussion  and stated                                                            
the question  is how  to remedy this  problem in  the long term.  He                                                            
continued  this question  extends  further  than the  Department  of                                                            
Health  and Social  Services.  He  voiced  that perhaps  the  Senate                                                            
Finance  Committee  needs  to "drive  the  discussion"  in order  to                                                            
obtain  information on  "younger working  people,"  the elderly  and                                                            
other  demographic  groups  to develop  a  "long tern  concept."  He                                                            
opined  this effort  would  help resolve  the  need  to address  the                                                            
funding of supplemental requests each year.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson mentioned  that his office had received a report about                                                            
"the dramatic  increase" in the number  of expenditures relating  to                                                            
the Medicaid program "that  was somewhere in the neighborhood of 490                                                            
percent." He asked  Ms. McConnell if that report had  been in error.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke  responded that the Division  of Legislative Finance  has                                                            
acknowledged there was  an error in that data, and that a correction                                                            
letter had been provided to all members of the Legislature.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke  stated the Medicaid program  has grown 190 percent  over                                                            
that  time period  in total  funds, with  general  funds growing  38                                                            
percent.  She noted this  is an  average of less  than five  percent                                                            
growth a year since 1995.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Green  asked  what  percentage  was used  in  figuring  the                                                            
federal match amount in this request.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke replied  the match reflected in this request  is based on                                                            
a 59.8 percent  match, however the match rate for  Medicaid has been                                                            
reduced  to   57  percent.  She  informed   that  proposed   federal                                                            
legislation  in the Economic  Stimulus packet  in the United  States                                                            
Congress might increase  the match rate to approximately 60 percent.                                                            
She stated the Department is following this legislation closely.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Labbe  informed the  Committee the federal  legislation  did not                                                            
pass the  United States Senate,  and is currently  being debated  in                                                            
the  United  States House  of  Representatives.  He  continued  that                                                            
another bill is being proposed  because many states are experiencing                                                            
budget  problems and  are "looking  for some federal  relief  on the                                                            
matching  rate." He  reported the  Department of  Health and  Social                                                            
Services  "has worked on  a proposal to keep  the state of  Alaska's                                                            
matching rate  from dropping," and there is another  proposal on the                                                            
national  level for  a $5  million stimulus  package  that has  wide                                                            
bipartisan support.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Green  asked the amount of  the general fund request  if the                                                            
federal match was factored at 57 percent.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke responded  the general fund request would  increase by $9                                                            
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Green stated  there is a  five percent  chance of  Congress                                                            
passing  a match  assistance  change; therefore  it  would be  "more                                                            
realistic" for  this general fund request to be $21  million instead                                                            
of $12 million.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Green asked if  this request includes any Pro-Share or Fair-                                                            
Share programs.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke responded that  "the bulk of the Pro-Share program" would                                                            
be used in FY 02 and that FY 03 "will really take a hit."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Green  asked about the future of the Fair  Share program and                                                            
whether it might impact this request.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Labbe responded this  request is "considerably lower" because of                                                            
the "anticipated  Fair  Share" arrangement.  He  expressed the  Fair                                                            
Share  portion  is likely  to  be  approved at  the  federal  level;                                                            
therefore, the  Department included those funds in  this request. He                                                            
mentioned  that Fair-Share  funds are also  factored into the  FY 03                                                            
budget.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Green  asked if  the Department assumes  the Fair-Share  and                                                            
Pro-Share  funds would continue  and; therefore,  incorporates  them                                                            
into  the  following   year's  budget.  She  warned,   if  they  are                                                            
incorporated  into the budget,  the state may  "set ourselves  up in                                                            
the  wrong direction,"  for  the state  would  have  to fulfill  the                                                            
commitment with  general funds if those funds were  not forthcoming.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Labbe  stated  the Department  determines  projections of  total                                                            
expenditures  based in terms  of general funds,  and they strive  to                                                            
maximize federal  funding sources. He stated the Department  has not                                                            
increased  its general  fund  requests  based on  available  federal                                                            
funding as the  Department understands that if the  federal funds do                                                            
not materialize, then "we  have a bigger hole" to fill. He continued                                                            
the federal government  makes special arrangements  with every state                                                            
and this  particular  program  "is so Alaska  specific,"  it is  not                                                            
anticipated to  be of concern.  He cited, for instance,  that Alaska                                                            
being the only  state that operates tribal hospitals  under the Pro-                                                            
Share arrangement.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Green  cautioned that "the  assumption is that general  fund                                                            
money would have  to fill the gap" if federal Pro  Share and/or Fair                                                            
Share funds are not available.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  asked if program receipts could fund  this request.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke  responded  if this request  were not  funded by  general                                                            
funds, the  state would not  have the required  state match  for the                                                            
Medicaid program, and therefore  would not earn the federal dollars.                                                            
She stated this  would result in the Department having  to terminate                                                            
the Medicaid program when the "authority to spend was stopped."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley asked if  this request could  be funded at  a lower                                                            
level.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke  responded the  Department anticipates  that the  program                                                            
would run out of money by April fifteenth.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley  asked if  current  law  allows the  Department  to                                                            
reduce or pro-rate payments  to extend the original appropriation to                                                            
the end of the fiscal year.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke responded  this is not an option as the  Medicaid program                                                            
"is a highly  regulated program,"  and regulations would  have to be                                                            
changed. She detailed  the length of time it takes  for that process                                                            
to occur.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley  asked  if  the Department  of  Health  and  Social                                                            
Services  "would  support the  flexibility"  to reduce  payments  if                                                            
there was a shortage of funds, rather than halting payments.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SFC 02 # 9, Side B 10:16 AM                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke responded  that statute determines the  level of payments                                                            
to hospitals, nursing homes, and physicians.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley asked if  the Department  management would  support                                                            
these types of statutory changes.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Labbe pointed out that  in addition to state statutes, there are                                                            
also federal  restrictions.  He furthered  that the  law allows  for                                                            
changes in services, population  and reimbursement policies, but any                                                            
direct  changes due  to funding  reductions would  be challenged  in                                                            
federal court.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley voiced  that  Alaska as  well as  other states  are                                                            
experiencing  demand for  increased Medicaid  funding, and  asserted                                                            
this issue  could be addressed at  the federal level. He  challenged                                                            
the Department  to "think  outside the box…to  address what  the law                                                            
could be and what  the legislature could do on the  state level." He                                                            
also  challenged  the  Department  to  ask  Alaska's  congressional                                                             
delegation  for  assistance   at  the  federal  level  to  give  the                                                            
Department flexibility.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Labbe   expressed  the  willingness   to  discuss  options   in                                                            
approaching this, and asked for direction from the legislature.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley suggested  the Department request flexibility in the                                                            
event of a shortfall  in funding. He continued that  the legislature                                                            
"could still entertain"  a supplemental request; however, the option                                                            
to  stretch payments  out  over the  remainder  of the  fiscal  year                                                            
"would be good" if funding is short.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly asked the  Department what potential violations might                                                            
have resulted  from prior  proposed legislation  regarding  the pro-                                                            
rata program.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Clarke responded  analysis  indicates  prior  proposed  changes                                                            
would have had no impact on the Medicaid program.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Labbe concurred,  and stated the  proposed pro-rata legislation                                                             
would  have  affected programs  such  as  adult  public assistance,                                                             
payments to individuals, and the longevity bonus.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  asked  if other  proposed  legislation  would  have                                                            
impacted the Medicaid program.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke did not recall any specifics.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  asked  the Department  to  provide  a copy  of  any                                                            
analysis that  has been conducted which would identify  what federal                                                            
laws would  be violated if the state  implements a pro rata  change.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke responded the Department would supply the analysis.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley commented  that the  prior year,  in looking  for a                                                            
long-term solution to the  Medicaid funding situation, the Committee                                                            
sponsored a $200,000 appropriation  for a study on the impact of the                                                            
Permanent  Fund Dividend (PFD)  program on  the volume of people  in                                                            
the welfare  program. He said the  governor vetoed that legislation                                                             
and  stated  that  information  "was  already available."   Co-Chair                                                            
Donley asked the Department  what the impacts of the PFD program are                                                            
on the welfare system.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke responded she did not have that information.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  stated  that  "the governor's  veto  was  over  the                                                            
objection" of  the Permanent Fund staff who were interested  in that                                                            
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley reiterated  that the Committee  had tried  to begin                                                            
the long-term  planning process as Senator Austerman  had suggested;                                                            
however, the governor's  veto "stopped that effort." Co-Chair Donley                                                            
stated  he  has  requested  a  copy  of  the  information  from  the                                                            
governor's office.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     SB 291                                                                                                                     
     Section 4(b)                                                                                                               
     Department of Health and Social Services                                                                                   
     Subsidized Adoptions & Guardianships                                                                                       
     Formula program caseload growth                                                                                            
     $2,529,600 general funds                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms  Clarke  informed  this  request  is a  result  of  this  program                                                            
experiencing 18 percent  growth instead of the projected 14 percent.                                                            
She  stated  this  growth  is  good  news  for  the  program  as  it                                                            
indicates, "more children are getting into permanent homes."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke stated  the Department's request for this  program in the                                                            
FY 02  budget was  not fully  funded,  and this,  combined with  the                                                            
growth in  the program,  has contributed  to the budgetary  problem.                                                            
She informed that,  at the close of FY 01, there were  approximately                                                            
1,500  special-needs  children per  month  in the  program and  this                                                            
number  is expected  to  grow to  1,800 by  the  end of  FY 02.  She                                                            
stressed  "this  program  has  had  considerable  support  from  the                                                            
legislature  over the years," and  commented that the Department  of                                                            
Health  and Social  Services  "believes this  it is  a program  that                                                            
needs  to grow."  She continued  that this  program  has helped  the                                                            
Department reduce  the expenditures of the foster  care program, and                                                            
there "was  not an increment for the  foster care program"  in FY 02                                                            
and that "the base rate  has been reduced as well." She stated these                                                            
programs   are  interlinked,   and  this   Subsidized  Adoptions   &                                                            
Guardianships  program  is a program  the Department  "would call  a                                                            
success."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Marine Highway System                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     SB 291                                                                                                                     
     Section 5                                                                                                                  
     Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                         
     Marine Highway Stablization Fund                                                                                           
     Marine Highway Stablization  Fund FY 02 deficit due to Columbia                                                            
     fire  and fuel  cost increases.  If not  funded, Spring/Summer                                                             
     service  would need  to be drastically  cut, reducing  revenues                                                            
     during highest  revenue season. Ships would be  put into lay-up                                                            
     status for extended periods.                                                                                               
     $2,876,900 general funds                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
KURT PARKAN, Deputy  Commissioner, Department of Transportation  and                                                            
Public  Facilities,  distributed  a  graph  [copy  on file]  to  the                                                            
Committee  that depicts the  expenses of  the Marine Highway  System                                                            
(MHS), and projected the  MHS would run out of money in May 2002. He                                                            
stated  the  most  significant  contributing   factor  was  the  F/V                                                            
Columbia's  fire  in early  June  2000.  He informed  that  the  F/V                                                            
Columbia was out  of service from June 2000 through  the latter part                                                            
of July 2001,  although the Department  had anticipated it  would be                                                            
back in service in May of 2001.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Parkan reiterated  that the F/V Columbia was out  of service for                                                            
a portion of FY 00, all  of FY 01, and a portion of FY 02. He stated                                                            
that July is typically  the biggest revenue-generating month for the                                                            
MHS, and this ship is the biggest revenue-generating vessel.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Parkan informed  the  Committee  that  the Department  did  not                                                            
expend   some  FY   02  budgeted   allocations   in  marketing   and                                                            
administration because  they anticipated having a deficit. He stated                                                            
expenses were further mitigated by lower fuel costs.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley asked  how much money  is currently  in the  Marine                                                            
Highway fund.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Parkan estimated $6 million.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  asked what would  happen if the $6 million  is used                                                            
to cover some of the costs in this request.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Parkan replied  the $6 million is what the Department  would use                                                            
to "get us through May" and then it "will be gone."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley asked what  expenses were  related directly  to the                                                            
F/V Columbia fire.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Parkan  responded that  not all costs  reflected in the  request                                                            
are the result  of the fire onboard the F/V Columbia.  He stated the                                                            
Department had over-projected  revenue for both FY 01 and FY 02, and                                                            
that  the Department  had  anticipated having  the  F/V Columbia  in                                                            
service in  FY 02. He continued that  a rebound in activity  did not                                                            
occur, as anticipated.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley  voiced  that the  state  "heavily  subsidizes  the                                                            
Marine Highway  System because it  doesn't generate enough  money on                                                            
its own  to be able  to pay for  its operation."  He continued  that                                                            
since "the revenue  generated does not pay for the  operation in the                                                            
first place, shouldn't  the expenses have actually  gone down" since                                                            
there were lower operational costs.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Parkan responded that  Co-Chair Donley "was correct to a certain                                                            
extent." He  noted that the chart  in the back-up material  reflects                                                            
some savings  of expenditures in FY  01 and FY 02. He stressed  that                                                            
the Columbia only  operates in the summertime, and  the savings from                                                            
vessel lay-ups  "are already built"  into the budget. He  stated the                                                            
overall  operational   savings  helped   offset  the  reduction   in                                                            
revenues,  and  when  the  F/V  Columbia  went  off  line,  the  F/V                                                            
Malaspina was used as her replacement.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  stated that  if the $6 million  in the MHS's  account                                                            
will run out in June, that  means it takes $2 million a month to run                                                            
the MHS. He asked if this is the norm.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Parkan  said yes, this is what  it costs to operate the  MHS. He                                                            
continued that  "different things,"  like the F/V Columbia  fire and                                                            
the Canadian  ferry blockage  a few years  ago, are anticipated  and                                                            
are factored into the budget.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  asked how  the operating expenses  would change  when                                                            
the fast ferries come on line.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Parkan replied  that overall costs would decrease  because labor                                                            
costs would  be lower. He  elaborated that  one crew instead  of two                                                            
would work on the fast  ferries because they operate "essentially as                                                            
day-boats."  He commented  that fuel  costs would  increase but  the                                                            
"savings in labor will be greater."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman  asked if there was any "ridership"  loss when the                                                            
F/V Columbia was out of  service. He also asked if insurance covered                                                            
loss  of  revenue  as well  as  the  costs  of repairs  to  the  F/V                                                            
Columbia.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Parkan responded  the  F/V  Malaspina  has the  same  passenger                                                            
capacity  as the F/V  Columbia;  however it  cannot accommodate  the                                                            
same amount  of vehicles.  He stated  that insurance  did not  cover                                                            
operating expenses.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman  stated that since the F/V Columbia  was in lay-up                                                            
status there  would not have been  any operating expenses.  He asked                                                            
about the insurance coverage regarding loss of revenue.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Parkan replied  that there was no insurance coverage  on loss of                                                            
revenue.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman  clarified  that insurance  did cover the  cost of                                                            
repairs.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN  GEORGE CAPACCI,  General  Manager, Marine  Highway  System,                                                            
Department  of  Transportation  and Public  Facilities,  stated  the                                                            
Federal  Highway  Administration   covered  the  costs  of  the  F/V                                                            
Columbia's repairs.  He commented that the switchboard  repairs cost                                                            
$1.5 million,  and that "the actual  larger portion of the  shipyard                                                            
expense  was the rehabilitation  of  the staterooms  which was  a $9                                                            
million  project." He  stated the  Federal  Highways Administration                                                             
paid these costs as well.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Captain  Capacci  reaffirmed  that  insurance  did  not  cover  lost                                                            
revenue. He continued that  even though the F/V Columbia was in lay-                                                            
up  status for  a  year, there  were  crew  costs and  lay-up  costs                                                            
incurred in the amount of approximately $1.8 million.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Austerman asked  for clarification  that  the MHS does  not                                                            
have insurance for fire damage.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Captain  Capacci  stated  that through  risk  management  "there  is                                                            
insurance  for   those  types  of  repairs  and  damages   that  are                                                            
incidental" to the system.  He clarified; however, in this case, the                                                            
Federal Highway Administration covered the costs.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Parkan  clarified  that Marine  Highway funds  were not used  to                                                            
cover repairs on the vessel.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     SB 291                                                                                                                     
     Section 10(a)(1)                                                                                                           
     Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                         
     Northern Region Highways & Aviation                                                                                        
     Chandalar   (James   Dalton   Highway)   Maintenance    Station                                                            
     Replacement - Temporary  rental and other costs of vacating the                                                            
      maintenance station due to imminent structural failure.                                                                   
     $127,800 general funds                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     SB 291                                                                                                                     
     Section 10(a)(2)                                                                                                           
     Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                         
     Central Region Highways & Aviation                                                                                         
     East  Fork (Parks  Highway  - South  of  Cantwell) Maintenance                                                             
     Station  Replacement   Temporary  rental  and  other  costs  of                                                            
     vacating  the maintenance  station  due to  imminent  structure                                                            
     failure.                                                                                                                   
     $21,900 general funds                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     SB 291                                                                                                                     
     Section 10(a)(3)                                                                                                           
     Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                         
     Central Region Highways & Aviation                                                                                         
     Willow  (Parks  Highway)  Maintenance   Station  Replacement  -                                                            
     Temporary  rental and other costs  of vacating the maintenance                                                             
     station due to imminent structural failure.                                                                                
     $45,500 general funds                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     SB 291                                                                                                                     
     Section 10(a)(4)                                                                                                           
     Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                         
     Northern Region Highways & Aviation                                                                                        
     Nome   Maintenance  Station   imminent  Structural   Failure  -                                                            
     Temporary  rental and other costs  of vacating the maintenance                                                             
     station due to imminent failure.                                                                                           
     $72,000 general funds                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     SB 291                                                                                                                     
     Section 10(b)                                                                                                              
     Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                         
     Northern Region CIP                                                                                                        
     Chandalar  Maintenance Station  Replacement Design Costs  (SDPR                                                            
     from NTSC-see line 6)                                                                                                      
     $456,800 Statutory Designated Program Receipts                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Parkan  stated  these  expenses  are  related   to maintenance                                                             
stations  that  have  been  closed  due  to  facility  concerns.  He                                                            
exampled  that roofs have  collapsed at various  locations,  and the                                                            
Department  has  closed  some high-risk  facilities  to  assess  the                                                            
repair needs. He informed  that the assessment report indicates that                                                            
several facilities are  at risk of failure; therefore the Department                                                            
vacated those  facilities. He stated  this request includes  rent in                                                            
other facilities  until the  state facilities  are repaired,  and he                                                            
explained  what some  of the  temporary  facilities  consist of.  He                                                            
informed the Committee  that some design costs for  facility repairs                                                            
are included  in this  request; however,  construction requests  are                                                            
included in other legislation.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  inquired what the funding source  is for subsection                                                            
10 (b).                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Parkan stated  the  funding was  Statutory  Designated  Program                                                            
Receipts from the Tobacco Settlement Bond extra earnings.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley clarified these are actually general funds.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman  asked when the Chandalar Maintenance  Station was                                                            
vacated.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Parkan stated it was vacated in June 2001.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Austerman  asked if  this request  is  for a  full year  of                                                            
operation and rental costs.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
FRANK RICHARDS,  State Maintenance  Engineer, Division of  Statewide                                                            
Maintenance,  Department of  Transportation  and Public Facilities,                                                             
stated the  request for $127,000  covers the  purchase of a  double-                                                            
wall tent.  He stated  that the  available shop  space did not  have                                                            
adequate  ventilation so  the tent  was needed in  order to  perform                                                            
tasks such as welding.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson asked why the tent was so expensive.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Richards stated  the  tent was  a 72  feet by  120 feet  Alaska                                                            
Coverall building. He continued  that additional costs were incurred                                                            
by  ground preparation,  erecting  the  tent,  and moving  into  the                                                            
facility.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  requested further information from  the Department on                                                            
what caused the deterioration of the building in Chandalar.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Department of Community and Economic Development                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT  POE, Executive  Director,  Alaska Industrial  Development  &                                                            
Export  Authority   (AIDEA)  and  Alaska  Energy  Authority   (AEA),                                                            
Department  of Community  and Economic  Development,  addressed  the                                                            
Committee.  He stated there  are four requests  in SB 291  regarding                                                            
Power Cost Equalization (PCE).                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     SB 291                                                                                                                     
     Section 9 (a)                                                                                                              
     Department of Community and Economic Development                                                                           
     Power Cost Equalization & Rural Electrification Fund                                                                       
     Technical  correction to  add the inadvertently  omitted  FY 02                                                            
     appropriation  from the Power Cost Equalization  Endowment fund                                                            
     to the Power  Cost Equalization and Rural Electrification  Fund                                                            
     $7,062,200 PCE EF                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Poe said this  section addresses a technical issue.  He referred                                                            
to the spreadsheet in the  backup material that outlines how the PCE                                                            
endowment  system is  set up.  He informed  that  $15.7 million  was                                                            
appropriated in  the FY 02 budget for PCE; however,  since FY 02 was                                                            
the first year  "the PCE endowment fund was brought  into play," the                                                            
appropriation language  that would have moved the $15.7 million from                                                            
the PCE endowment  to the PCE fund,  did not happen. He stated  this                                                            
request is to correct that oversight.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Poe stated  if this does not happen, the funds  to pay PCE would                                                            
not be  available. He stated  that 1999 legislation  allowed  PCE to                                                            
prorate payments;  consequently, payments  have been at 80  percent.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     SB 291                                                                                                                     
     Section 9(b)                                                                                                               
     Department of Community and Economic Development                                                                           
     Power Cost Equalization & Rural Electrification Fund                                                                       
     Fully fund the statutory formula in the PCE statute. Cost                                                                  
     increase is due to higher fuel costs.                                                                                      
     $1,100,000 general funds                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 9(c)                                                                                                               
     Department of Community and Economic Development                                                                           
     Power Cost Equalization                                                                                                    
     Fully fund Power Cost Equalization (PCE) statute. Increase due                                                             
     to higher fuel costs.                                                                                                      
     $1,100,000 PCE                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Poe stated these requests  would increase PCE payments for FY 02                                                            
to 100 percent  for March through June, instead of  the current pro-                                                            
rated 80 percent.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section 9(d)(1)                                                                                                            
     Department of Community and Economic Development                                                                           
     Power Cost Equalization                                                                                                    
     Delete sufficient authorization from FY 02 to pay FY 01 late                                                               
     bills                                                                                                                      
     [$56,800] PCE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 9(d)(2)                                                                                                            
     Department of Community and Economic Development                                                                           
     Power Cost Equalization                                                                                                    
     Add authorization to pay power cost equalization program FY 01                                                             
     late bills                                                                                                                 
     $56,800 PCE                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Poe  stated  these  requests  are  related  to  a  $56,800  PCE                                                            
"problem"  that occurred in  FY 01. He stated  the PCE program  is a                                                            
cost-driven system, "that  is costs are incurred and the PCE program                                                            
has to reimburse  them." He stated that on occasion,  "bills come in                                                            
fairly late, although funds  are encumbered in anticipation" of what                                                            
those bills might  be. He continued that when FY 01  was closed out,                                                            
the  PCE program  "was $56,800  short,"  and this  request  requests                                                            
authorization  to pay these  FY 01 expenses  out of FY 02 funds.  He                                                            
noted this  request is based  at the 80  percent payment factor.  He                                                            
stated that if  Section 9(d)(1) and Section 9(d)(2)  were passed, it                                                            
would allow payment for the outstanding debt.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Austerman  asked  if  the  general  fund  appropriation  in                                                            
Section  9(b) is  based  upon 100  percent  payments  instead of  80                                                            
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Poe  responded yes, and  clarified the  request is only  for 100                                                            
percent payments from March to June.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman  asked Mr. Poe for further explanation  on Section                                                            
9 (c).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Poe  stated Section  9(c) is  actually an  appropriation  of the                                                            
endowment  funds to the  PCE of  the general funds  as explained  in                                                            
Section  9 (b).  He  continued  that Section  9  (c) is  the  actual                                                            
appropriation for March through June payments.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SARA FISHER-GOAD,  Financial Analyst, Alaska Industrial  Development                                                            
&  Export Authority  (AIDEA)  and  Alaska  Energy  Authority  (AEA),                                                            
Department  of  Community   and  Economic  Development,   explained,                                                            
"Section 9  (b) is actually the capitalization  directed  to the PCE                                                            
fund. It  does not  go through  the endowment  fund." She  continued                                                            
that "9(c) is the authorization to expend that money" for FY 02.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman  asked for  clarification  that Section 9  (b) and                                                            
9(C) involve the same money.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Goad concurred.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken  stated in FY 00, the  Committee put forth  effort on                                                            
the PCE program  "to try to get it to be self-sustaining".  He noted                                                            
that one of the funding  sources in FY 00 was the National Petroleum                                                            
Reserve - Alaska  (NPRA). He asked if the PCE program  managers have                                                            
requested "some NPRA money to help make up the shortfall."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Poe replied  the managers have  not, and "there is only  a small                                                            
amount of money available" currently from NPR-A.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lawson explained  that in the year 2000, there  were significant                                                            
funds available  in the NPRA program due to reserve  sales, and that                                                            
the  PCE program  received  approximately  $9 million  from an  NPRA                                                            
appropriation. He continued  there was no NPRA money appropriated in                                                            
FY  01. He  stated  there  is  $1.7 million  in  total  grant  money                                                            
available  from NPRA in  FY-02, and  he expected  this would  be the                                                            
amount annually available for grants.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken asked if  the PCE program has submitted a request for                                                            
a portion  of the $1.7  million in grant  funds available from  NPRA                                                            
for FY 03.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Poe replied  that the PCE program  has not put in a request  for                                                            
this grant money.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken  stated that "if we don't ask, we don't  get," and as                                                            
a result of  the FY 00 proceedings,  it was understood that  the PCE                                                            
program would have access  to available NPRA funds. He suggested the                                                            
managers of the PCE program pursue this funding source.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lawson stated the statute  relating to NPRA grants specifies "it                                                            
is the  intent of the legislature  to fund  grants that show  impact                                                            
from the  oil and gas development."  He continued  "if there  is any                                                            
money left  over at the end of the  year, 25 percent of the  balance                                                            
goes into the  permanent fund," 25 percent goes into  an educational                                                            
trust,  "and the remainder  can go  into the PCE  fund." He  stated,                                                            
"this formula is set up in statute."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilken suggested  the  Committee  look at  PCE projects  to                                                            
determine if any are impacted  by oil development, as those projects                                                            
would qualify to request NPRA grant funds.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman supported Senator Wilken's comments.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley stated that  in FY 00, "the  understanding  in this                                                            
Committee and  on the floor of the Senate," was "that  if NPRA money                                                            
did  not materialize,  there  was no  on-going obligation"  for  the                                                            
legislature  "to fund to any specific  money level without  the NPRA                                                            
money being an element in that funding."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Mr. Poe  stressed that  the efforts  of the  legislature to  develop                                                            
funding mechanisms  for the  PCE program  have been successful  with                                                            
the establishment  of such things  as the endowment. He cited  other                                                            
recent funding  sources such  as revenue from  the sale of  the Four                                                            
Dam Pool. He stressed that  statute specifies how the PCE program is                                                            
to  be funded.  He  stated,  "the managers'  job  is to  inform  the                                                            
legislature  about  the program  and  what the  costs  are, and  the                                                            
legislature's  job is to  allocate limited  resources to fund  those                                                            
needs." He stated the good  news is the "endowment fund really helps                                                            
a lot." He stated  that Section 9(c) might be an area  that could be                                                            
funded from other funding sources.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman  supported Mr. Poe's  comments and stated  efforts                                                            
are underway to change  how the PCE program operates, and this would                                                            
result  in  "a  significant  difference"  in  how  the  PCE  program                                                            
operates in FY 03.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken stated this  is the first time the Committee has seen                                                            
an effort  by the PCE program  to try to  work within its  resources                                                            
and the pro-rating endeavor should be recognized.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley voiced appreciation  to ADEIA  and the PCE  program                                                            
for their efforts toward working within their budget.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 16(d)                                                                                                              
     Department of Revenue                                                                                                      
     Treasury Division                                                                                                          
     Correct fund source for Ch 60, SLA 2000 PCE Fund/Sale of 4 Dam                                                             
     Pool/Energy (HB 446) fiscal note.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Poe  informed that  this item  is to cover  fees charged  by the                                                            
Department of Revenue Treasury  Division to manage the endowment. He                                                            
stated,  in prior years,  those fees  were charged  against the  PCE                                                            
funds, not the  PCE endowment fund. He stated these  management fees                                                            
are a cost  to the ratepayers receiving  PCE, and this request  asks                                                            
to have these fees charged to the endowment fund instead.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken  clarified this is a request for zero  funds since it                                                            
is a transfer of funds.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Poe responded  that is correct, and this section  would repair a                                                            
"technical problem."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 2(b)                                                                                                               
     Department of Community and Economic Development                                                                           
     Power Project Fund                                                                                                         
     Denali Commission Appropriation to the Power Project Fund                                                                  
     $4,900,000 federal funds                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Poe stated  this project seeks ways to reduce  the cost of power                                                            
in rural Alaska,  and utilities that  serve rural Alaska  were asked                                                            
for suggestions  on how  to reduce  those costs.  He stated  that 40                                                            
proposals  were  received,  "15  of which  showed  a  positive  cost                                                            
benefit."  He clarified  that  each of  the proposals  has "a  grant                                                            
portion and  debt portion so there  would be a loan aspect  to it as                                                            
well." He informed  that the 15 proposals  total approximately  $7.5                                                            
million with  a loan program portion  of $4.9 million. He  continued                                                            
this request "asks  to receive those Denali Commission  funds in the                                                            
Power Project  fund and then loan that money to rural  utilities for                                                            
these  projects  that  will   lower  the  cost  of  power  in  those                                                            
communities."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Military and Veteran Affairs                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 6                                                                                                                  
     Department of Military and Veterans Affairs                                                                                
     Disaster Planning & Control                                                                                                
     Costs to  maintain 24-hour State Emergency Coordination  Center                                                            
     (SECC),  the agency  that coordinates  all  federal, state  and                                                            
     local jurisdictional  responses associated with any disaster or                                                            
     event                                                                                                                      
     $100,000 general funds                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
NICO  BUS, Administrative   Services Manager,  Division  of  Support                                                            
Services, Department of  Natural Resources, stated this is a request                                                            
to maintain  the  24-hour state  emergency coordination  center.  He                                                            
stated  the center  was  created the  prior  year with  $203,000  in                                                            
funding support from the  legislature and an expected annual cost of                                                            
$450,000. He stated the  Department reallocated funds to support the                                                            
center; however that funding is now exhausted.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman  asked if the $203,000 the legislature  funded was                                                            
general funds.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus concurred.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Austerman reconfirmed  that, at that  time, the  Department                                                            
stated it would cost $450,000 to run the center.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus  commented that  the Department  was not  sure of the  total                                                            
amount  initially,  as negotiations  with  the  union  had not  been                                                            
completed. He  stated that with the $203,000 appropriation  from the                                                            
legislature,  the Department  believed  they  could try  to make  it                                                            
work; however, the funding is "still shy about $100,000."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman asked the total cost of the program.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus responded $450,000.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman confirmed  this amount, and asked how much federal                                                            
dollars are involved.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus replied the Department  has investigated the federal funding                                                            
option,  and currently  there  is no  Federal  Emergency  Management                                                            
Agency (FEMA) grant monies available.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Austerman  stated that  the  $203,000 allocation  from  the                                                            
legislature plus  this request for $100,000 would  bring the general                                                            
fund allocation to $303,000.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus concurred.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Austerman   stated  that   $147,000  is  provided   by  the                                                            
Department.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus concurred and elaborated  the $147,000 is also general funds                                                            
that the Department  had received but had redirected  to the center.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman stated  therefore, this program is funded fully by                                                            
general funds.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bus  stated   that  Oil  and   Hazardous  Response   funds  are                                                            
contributed, but are not reflected.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 7                                                                                                                  
     Natural Resources                                                                                                          
     CIP                                                                                                                        
     Scope  change  for  SLA97, CH50,  Sec  15(k),  P9, L13  -  from                                                            
     prepare and administer  the Kalgin Island II, Caribou Hills, S.                                                            
     Ninilchik-Dome  View,  South  Ninilchik  Bick timber  sales  in                                                            
     Kenai  Peninsula  to  Kenai  Peninsula  to  reduce  risks  from                                                            
     wildfire.                                                                                                                  
     Zero fund request                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus informed  the Committee this  request for a reappropriation                                                             
of a  timber sale  project on the  Kenai Peninsula  was intended  to                                                            
administer sales on the  islands specified in the request. He stated                                                            
the Department  has been  successful in part  of the sale;  however,                                                            
"the timber  sale market  collapsed"  and the project  could  not be                                                            
completed as originally  intended. He continued that  the Department                                                            
held meetings  with the residents  of the Kenai Peninsula  area, and                                                            
this request  is to  redirect the  balance of  the funds to  smaller                                                            
sales that would reduce the risk of wildfire.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     SB 292                                                                                                                     
     Section 4                                                                                                                  
     Department of Military and Veterans Affairs                                                                                
     Disaster Relief Fund                                                                                                       
     The Disaster  Relief Fund directly  funds the core services  of                                                            
     the Division of Emergency  Services, 10 full-time positions and                                                            
     the  match for  another 10  positions. Fund  capitalization  to                                                            
     cover   the  core  services   costs  has   been  done   in  the                                                            
     supplemental for several years.                                                                                            
     $680,000 general funds                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus stated  this request is intended to capitalize  the disaster                                                            
relief  fund.  He stated  this  is an  annual  request  to fund  the                                                            
salaries of staff working on disasters.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman inquired as to what this money is spent on.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus  responded  it pays  for staff  working  on direct  disaster                                                            
assistance with communities and working on disaster plans.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Austerman  asked  why  this  request  is  included  in  the                                                            
supplemental budget if it is for normal staffing.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bus stated  this  money  has never  been  added into  the  base                                                            
funding; however the Department  would support it being reflected in                                                            
the base funding.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 7                                                                                                                  
     Natural Resources                                                                                                          
     Fire Suppression                                                                                                           
     Fixed costs and fire suppression costs incurred to date.                                                                   
     Updated costs for spring fire suppression will be provided as                                                              
     needed.                                                                                                                    
     $7,235,000 general funds                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus explained this  request is to cover the expenses of fires in                                                            
the summer of 2001, and  the balance of fixed costs. He informed the                                                            
Committee  the average expenses  in a year  are $12 million  and the                                                            
base  funds appropriated  in the  FY 02  budget was  $3 million.  He                                                            
stated this request  does not include suppression  costs for May and                                                            
June 2002 activities.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken  suggested the Committee  consider investigating  the                                                            
expenditures,  as Alaska did  not seem to  have many major  fires in                                                            
the  summer  of  2001.  He  voiced  concern  as  to  how  Alaska  is                                                            
reimbursed for  expenses incurred by "shipping people  out to assist                                                            
with fires" in other regions of the country.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus stated the Department  would provide a breakout of the costs                                                            
incurred relating to last summer's fires.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 13                                                                                                                 
     Department of Military and Veterans Affairs                                                                                
     Army Guard Facilities Maintenance                                                                                          
     Federal funds for increased telecommunications costs for the                                                               
     Distance Learning project.                                                                                                 
     $350,000 federal funds                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus  stated  this item  is fully  funded by  federal dollars  to                                                            
addresses   telecommunication  costs   of  providing  the   Distance                                                            
Learning project  to armories in the outlying regions  of the state.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     SB 292                                                                                                                     
     Section 14(1)                                                                                                              
     Department of Natural Resources                                                                                            
     Geological Development                                                                                                     
     Federal grant awards for geological projects                                                                               
     $493,400 federal funds                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bus  said  these  federal  funds  would  allow  for  geological                                                            
projects                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 14(2)                                                                                                              
     Department of Natural Resources                                                                                            
     Parks Management                                                                                                           
     Increased fuel costs                                                                                                       
     $20,200 general funds                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     SB 292                                                                                                                     
     Section 14(3)                                                                                                              
     Department of Natural Resources                                                                                            
     Parks Management                                                                                                           
     Increased costs for two-way radio circuits                                                                                 
     $40,700 general funds                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus listed these requests.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 14(4)                                                                                                              
     Department of Natural Resources                                                                                            
     Recorder's Office                                                                                                          
     Costs of title records for new title companies. Title                                                                      
     insurance laws require companies to have duplicate records for                                                             
     the past 25 years.                                                                                                         
     $300,000 Statutory Designated Program Receipts                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus  stated  this request  is a  result of  new title  insurance                                                            
companies starting  business, as state  law requires these  entities                                                            
to have duplicate records  for the last 25 years. This request would                                                            
allow  the Department  to make  the duplicate  copies  and the  cost                                                            
would be fully reimbursed by the businesses.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 14 (4)                                                                                                             
     Department of Natural Resources                                                                                            
     Recorder's Office                                                                                                          
     Assume recording duties  in Valdez, Glennallen, and Seward that                                                            
     were  previously  done  by the  Court  System  without  charge.                                                            
     Increased  costs to process heavy volume of mortgage  refinance                                                            
      activity and implement completed classification study.                                                                    
     $235,000 Receipt Support Services                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus specified  this request is  for receipt-supported  services.                                                            
He noted that  the Department has relied on the Alaska  Court System                                                            
for all court recording  activities done in the communities outlined                                                            
in the request; however, due to staffing constraints, the Court                                                                 
System  could no  longer provide  the services.  He  stated that  in                                                            
addition,  the  court  staff  is not  trained  in  the Department's                                                             
procedures. He stated this  request would complete the transfer from                                                            
the court to the Department.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bus stated  that  as  a result  of  a large  increase  in  loan                                                            
refinancing,  additional non-permanent  staff was hired in  November                                                            
and December to  keep up with the workload. He stated  this assisted                                                            
in expediting  the refinancing process, resulting  in an increase of                                                            
one million  dollars  in extra revenue  for the  state treasury.  He                                                            
continued;  however, labor  costs increased  as well. He stated  the                                                            
non-permanent positions  would expire at the end of February, as the                                                            
workload would be brought current.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus continued that  a portion of this request also covers salary                                                            
increases for  Recorders as a result of reclassification.  He stated                                                            
the  total request  of  $235,000 would  be  covered  by new  revenue                                                            
generated this year.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley summarized  Section  14 pertains  to expenses  that                                                            
would be covered by additional revenue.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus  stated that was  correct. He stated  the work would  not be                                                            
done if customers do not pay for it.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  asked if the temporary  workers generated  the entire                                                            
one million dollars in new revenue.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus responded that  regular staff generated the new revenue with                                                            
support from  the non-permanent staff.  He stated that normally  the                                                            
Department  generates $4 million dollars  in revenue and  this year,                                                            
"the Department pulled in $5 million."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus  stated that refinancing  has been  beneficial to  business,                                                            
the general public, and the state.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 20(b)                                                                                                              
     Department of Natural Resources                                                                                            
     Fire Suppression                                                                                                           
     FY 2001 Fire suppressions costs                                                                                            
     AR 37313-01 Fire Suppression                                                                                               
     $4,730,000 general funds                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bus stated  this  is  a Ratification  that  provides  for  fire                                                            
suppression  projected  costs for  May and  June 2002  that are  not                                                            
covered in the supplemental.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 19                                                                                                                 
     Miscellaneous Claims                                                                                                       
     Military & Veterans Affairs                                                                                                
     Miscellaneous Claims: $274,000                                                                                             
     $300 general funds                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus stated this is for a miscellaneous claim.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Office of the Governor                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 8                                                                                                                  
     Office of the Governor                                                                                                     
     Division of Elections                                                                                                      
     Costs for printing and mailing a Primary Election Voter                                                                    
     Education  Guide in time to explain  the new law (shifted  from                                                            
     FY 2003 budget which will be amended)                                                                                      
     $25,000 general funds                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
GAIL FENUMIAI,  Election Program Specialist, Division  of Elections,                                                            
Office  of  the Lieutenant  Governor  informed  the  Committee  this                                                            
$25,000 request  is "for the production of a primary  election voter                                                            
education guide  as a result of the changes in the  primary election                                                            
system." She  continued this is part  of the state's voter  outreach                                                            
efforts. She  stated this amount would  be offset in the  Governor's                                                            
amended  FY 03  budget  with a  reduction  to the  Election  funding                                                            
request.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
University of Alaska                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     SB 291                                                                                                                     
     Section 11(a)                                                                                                              
     University of Alaska                                                                                                       
     Systemwide Small Planning, Design and Construction                                                                         
     Funding authority  needed in excess of the FY  02 small project                                                            
     non-general  funds receipt authority  for Lena Point  fisheries                                                            
     and ocean  sciences facility  for simultaneous excavation  with                                                            
     NOAA  to prevent  disruption and  damage to  the facility  at a                                                            
     later date.                                                                                                                
     $800,000 University of Alaska Receipts                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
WENDY REDMAN,  Vice President for  University Relations,  University                                                            
of Alaska, informed the  Committee that the University of Alaska and                                                            
the  National  Oceanic  and  Atmospheric  Administration  (NOAA)  is                                                            
requesting  these funds for  excavation and  dynamite site  work for                                                            
the Lena Point joint-use  research facility. She noted that the NOAA                                                            
would  be soliciting  requests  for bids  for site  excavation  this                                                            
month,  and   the  University's   cost  for   this  work  would   be                                                            
significantly   less  if  done  in  conjunction  with   NOAA's  site                                                            
excavation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 11(b)                                                                                                              
     University of Alaska                                                                                                       
     CIP                                                                                                                        
     Scope change  for Sec 3, CH 61, SLA 2001 to include  University                                                            
     of Alaska Anchorage  heating, ventilation, and air conditioning                                                            
     Piping Replacement Phases 1-4                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Redman stated this  request resulted from a change in scope on a                                                            
FY  01 $10  million  Capital  Improvement  Project  (CIP)  that  the                                                            
University  received  for renovation  and  repair at  the  Anchorage                                                            
campus.  She informed  the  Committee that  during  the CIP  project                                                            
work,  major  pipe  damage  was  discovered  that  resulted  in  the                                                            
University  having to request  this change  in scope to accommodate                                                             
the unanticipated expense.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman asked  which University receipts would be used for                                                            
the Lena Point Project, as it is a capital project.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Redman  stated the receipts for  the project would be  allocated                                                            
from the  National  Resources Fund,  generated from  the Land  Grant                                                            
Fund.  She stated  portions  of that  fund  have been  dedicated  to                                                            
planning and design work  for facilities. She informed the Committee                                                            
of a request for the cost  of construction of the facility in the FY                                                            
03 budget request.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Austerman asked  that further information  on the  National                                                            
Resources Fund be supplied to the Committee.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Redman responded  the information on the Fund  is forthcoming as                                                            
it is submitted annually to the Legislature.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Austerman  asked  for  further  information  on the  FY  01                                                            
allocation for the University of Alaska Anchorage renovation.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Redman stated  the  FY 01  money was  appropriated  to  address                                                            
deferred maintenance,  code compliance  and bio-medical and  science                                                            
laboratory  renovation. She  continued that  as these upgrades  were                                                            
being  undertaken,  several  pipes  exploded  and  approximately  $2                                                            
million of  the allocation  was used for  emergency pipe repair  and                                                            
renovation.  She stated this required  a change in the scope  of the                                                            
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson inquired  if the biomedical project is in jeopardy due                                                            
to  the change  of  the University  of  Alaska  Anchorage  project's                                                            
scope.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
Ms. Redman  replied that  the funding originally  allocated  for the                                                            
biomedical portion of the  FY 01 funding was used to repair the pipe                                                            
system  as  the  laboratory  upgrades  were  not  designated  as  an                                                            
emergency;  therefore, the University  would pursue further  capital                                                            
funding  to upgrade  the laboratories  in conjunction  with  another                                                            
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson summarized  there are  no biomedical  field  upgrades                                                            
occurring now at the University of Alaska, Anchorage.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Redman  responded that there is  approximately $8 million  worth                                                            
of renovation  money  being  utilized at  the University  of  Alaska                                                            
Anchorage campus;  however, she is not sure which  specific projects                                                            
are underway.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PAT  PITNEY,  Director  of  Budget  Development  and  Institutional                                                             
Planning, University  of Alaska, testified  via teleconference  from                                                            
Fairbanks  and specified  $3.6  million  was dedicated  for  science                                                            
renovation,  biomedical  lab renovation,  and planning  for  science                                                            
instruction.  She  continued that  with  this reduction  would  "hit                                                            
within that $3.6 million."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Redman  stated the replacement  of this  money has already  been                                                            
addressed in the deferred maintenance bond legislation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Austerman,  noting  that  the  campus  in  Juneau  occupies                                                            
several acres  of land, asked why the University rented  space for a                                                            
University budget office downtown.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Redman responded  her  single room  downtown  office is  easily                                                            
accessible  to the Legislature,  and  results in  a savings of  both                                                            
transportation time and fuel costs.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley announced  these  presentations  complete the  fast                                                            
track supplemental requests in SB 291.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley stated the  legislature does  "the best we  can and                                                            
try to make sure  there is public services delivered  and that we do                                                            
the best we can  with the state treasury." He noted  there are a lot                                                            
of items  in the  fast  track supplemental,  and  reminded that  the                                                            
funding of these  requests is a process that takes  place each year.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley stated  it is a  challenge for  the legislature  to                                                            
determine what funding is appropriate.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley  voiced  concern  that endowments  are  treated  as                                                            
dedicated funds, since  the state of Alaska has "a constitution that                                                            
prohibits dedicated funds,  and there is a lot of groups around here                                                            
that have  programs  and they  may be good  programs  but to try  to                                                            
protect their programs  politically, they have created endowments in                                                            
our  state  budget."  He  elaborated  endowments  "are  really  just                                                            
general funds, and those  are funds that could be used to reduce the                                                            
fiscal  gap,  could  be used  for  education,  or  things  that  are                                                            
constitutional priorities."  He stated "as we look at funding coming                                                            
from endowments,  we  shouldn't just  think that  they are not  real                                                            
money, because  they are real money  that could be used for  police,                                                            
or fire, or public health  or education." He stressed that because a                                                            
program has a  statute that suggests its endowment  funds "should be                                                            
used  for a  particular  purpose,  doesn't  mean that's  always  the                                                            
highest and best use for  that money at this particular time for the                                                            
state of Alaska."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Dave Donley adjourned the meeting at 11:44 AM.                                                                         

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